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Rafal T. Prinke Member

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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 10:07 pm |
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There is a relatively recent book by Okasha El Daly, Egyptology: The Missing Millennium. Ancient Egypt in Medieval Arabic Writings (London, 2005), which reproduces a number of pages from the manuscript of Kitab al-Aqalim by Abu ‘l-Qasim al-‘Iraqi (British Library in London, MS Add 25724). Some of the imagery is strikingly similar to what appears in later Latin alchemical iconography. But I have just found another page reproduced in Arcana sapienza by Michela Pereira (p. 89, originally reproduced in another Italian book), showing three birds of different colours, reminiscent of the three birds in Splendor solis (image 13).
I wonder if any other images from that manuscript have been published? It would be interesting to see their ordering/sequence and possible influence on later European imagery.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 04:49 pm |
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Rafal T. Prinke wrote:
There is a relatively recent book by Okasha El Daly, Egyptology: The Missing Millennium. Ancient Egypt in Medieval Arabic Writings (London, 2005), which reproduces a number of pages from the manuscript of Kitab al-Aqalim by Abu ‘l-Qasim al-‘Iraqi (British Library in London, MS Add 25724). Some of the imagery is strikingly similar to what appears in later Latin alchemical iconography. But I have just found another page reproduced in Arcana sapienza by Michela Pereira (p. 89, originally reproduced in another Italian book), showing three birds of different colours, reminiscent of the three birds in Splendor solis (image 13).
I wonder if any other images from that manuscript have been published? It would be interesting to see their ordering/sequence and possible influence on later European imagery.
1. Dr. El Daly has some interesting articles and related material online:
http://muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=712
http://muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=1105
2. Another image from the MS here (wonderful!):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/renzodionigi/3475862892/
3. Possible link with the Voynich MS discussed here:
http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2008/06/28/egyptian-arabic-link-to-the-vms
4. MS Arabe 2676 in the BN in Paris seems to have similarities. Possibility of obtaining scans?Attached Image (viewed 2682 times):

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Rafal T. Prinke Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 01:06 pm |
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Thanks, Paul. The demon in rasta pyjamas is really cute :-)
Nick Pelling's (Voynich website) information that the MS is actually 18th c. is quite distressing as in that case the influence may have also come back from Europe.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 03:33 pm |
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Rafal T. Prinke wrote:
Thanks, Paul. The demon in rasta pyjamas is really cute :-)
Nick Pelling's (Voynich website) information that the MS is actually 18th c. is quite distressing as in that case the influence may have also come back from Europe.
Pelling seems to imply that this is an 18th copy of a 14th century original:
'Might the lettering in a similar 14th century Arabic document (of which this is apparently a copy) have been the specific inspiration for the Voynich’s cipher alphabet?'
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Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2009 09:12 am |
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Rafal T. Prinke wroNick Pelling's (Voynich website) information that the MS is actually 18th c. is quite distressing as in that case the influence may have also come back from Europe.
I have noticed that a number of arabic manuscripts are late copies of earlier material. One wonders how much they were reworked during the copying. Perhaps some scholar will have done some research on copying in the arabic manuscript tradition in general.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2009 09:15 am |
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Here are two pages of chemical and pharmaceutical processes from manuscripts in the Freer Gallery in Washington.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2009 09:17 am |
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The second item.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2009 09:18 am |
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Here is a page from an arabic manuscript in the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.
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Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2009 08:17 pm |
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Here are couple of illustrations from a manuscript.
British Library MS. Oriental. Add. 25724
This has a series of astrological and alchemical treatises.
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Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2009 08:17 pm |
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The second illustration fom the BL department of oriental manuscripts.
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