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Rafal T. Prinke
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 Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 03:48 pm
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Is there anything known about the author of the poem The Hunting of the Green Lion, apparently by one Abraham Andrews, a vicar of Malden in the reign of Henry V?

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Rafal T. Prinke wrote:
Is there anything known about the author of the poem The Hunting of the Green Lion, apparently by one Abraham Andrews, a vicar of Malden in the reign of Henry V?

I think he was vicar of Maldon in Essex not Malden in Surrey. There are places called Old and New Malden in England but Maldon is surely likelier.

His surname is also spelt Andrewes.

He is referred to here as 'otherwise unknown':

http://books.google.com/books?id=0eVZAAAAMAAJ&q=%22vicar+of+maldon%22+andrews&dq=%22vicar+of+maldon%22+andrews&hl=en&ei=gTb6TaGeJtHF8QPI3MSpCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg

Note that Ashmole attributed a book to him that was probably by Benet Burgh, who *was* Vicar of Maldon, the Disticha Moralia (not Distichia Moralia).

Andrew(e)s also seems to have written a book called 'The Bird of Hermes'.

Also seems to have been known as the 'Vicar of Walden' according to this paper on the Ripley Scroll:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47659674/VESx1996x02x01x039x049

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Chalmers adds: “Hunting of the Green Lion, by Abraham Andrews; but there is also a spurious piece with the same title;”

 

- Do you know of another ‘piece’ than the one in the Theatrum?

 

http://books.google.ca/books?id=HhsIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA51&dq=Ashmole+Abraham+Andrews&hl=en&ei=D4_6TcjAOeXj0QHeha3KAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Ashmole%20Abraham%20Andrews&f=false

 

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Carl Lavoie wrote:
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Chalmers adds: “Hunting of the Green Lion, by Abraham Andrews; but there is also a spurious piece with the same title;”

 

- Do you know of another ‘piece’ than the one in the Theatrum?

 

http://books.google.ca/books?id=HhsIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA51&dq=Ashmole+Abraham+Andrews&hl=en&ei=D4_6TcjAOeXj0QHeha3KAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Ashmole%20Abraham%20Andrews&f=false

 

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Could be a reference to Galfridus, De leone viridi:

http://books.google.com/books?id=eOxEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA338&dq=%22hunting+of+the+green+lion%22&hl=en&ei=wZv6Te6lBMut8QPJ372pCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%22hunting%20of%20the%20green%20lion%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=e457H3pAhAMC&pg=PR95&dq=%22de+leone+viridi%22+galfridus&hl=en&ei=l576TfzVHsG48gPcuKWqCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22de%20leone%20viridi%22%20galfridus&f=false

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In the alchemical poem 'The Compendiary of the Noble Science of Alchemy or Blomfild's Blossoms' there's a reference at line 134ff:

'Then brought they in the vicar of Maldon
'With his lyon greene, that most royall secret...'

See Schuler:

Three Renaissance Scientific Poems
Robert M. Schuler
Studies in Philology
Vol. 75, No. 5, Texts and Studies, 1978. Three Renaissance Scientific Poems (Winter, 1978), pp. i+iii+v+vii+1-7+9-59+61+63+65+67-101+103+105-107+109+111-147+149+151-152
(article consists of 145 pages)
Published by: University of North Carolina Press
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4173988

Schuler's footnote to 'vicar of Maldon' reads:

'Unidentified, but the inclusion of this personage among the frauds was an embarrassment to Ashmole, who adds this note to the poem called 'The Hunting of the Greene Lyon, Written by the Vicar of Malden': 'In the Campe of Philosophy Bloomefield reckons up a Worke that bears the Title of the Greene Lyon, and amongst other Impostors (of his Tyme) calls the Vicar of Maldon, (but in some copies Vicar of Walden) the Author; and consequently esteemes the Worke spurious... some Copies owne Abraham Andrews for their Author.'

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R. Galfridus/Gaufredus, yes, it makes sens.

There's a franciscan by that name in the Bodleian catalogue.

Thanks Paul.

 

GAUFRIDUS, Raymundus, ord. Min. Verbum abbreviatum [verissimum et approbatum de occultum emittat breve sermone a brevia] de leone viridi : [tract. alchem.], 119. 77b

'ab egregio doctore nostro Rogero Bacon primo declaratum'



 

http://books.google.ca/books?id=s3JIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=Galfridus+leone+viridi&source=bl&ots=2VBrNZTOq3&sig=L4d6SQOE23bVmhTLSbqvAlxfU4A&hl=en&ei=c6b6TZj1Jcn40gGOmPGmAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false



 

http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/manuscripts/search/detaild.cfm?DID=7269

 


p.141, Digby 119.5 :

http://www.ampltd.co.uk/digital_guides/ren_man_series1_prt1/documents/DetailedListing-Reels11-18cont.pdf


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Carl Lavoie wrote:
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R. Galfridus/Gaufredus, yes, it makes sens.

There's a franciscan by that name in the Bodleian catalogue.

Thanks Paul.

 

GAUFRIDUS, Raymundus, ord. Min. Verbum abbreviatum [verissimum et approbatum de occultum emittat breve sermone a brevia] de leone viridi : [tract. alchem.], 119. 77b.

 

http://books.google.ca/books?id=s3JIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=Galfridus+leone+viridi&source=bl&ots=2VBrNZTOq3&sig=L4d6SQOE23bVmhTLSbqvAlxfU4A&hl=en&ei=c6b6TZj1Jcn40gGOmPGmAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false



and :

 

http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/manuscripts/search/detaild.cfm?DID=7269

 

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General of the Franciscan Order it would seem, but he got on the wrong side of Boniface VIII:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8u2CeWdd6FEC&pg=PA521&lpg=PA521&dq=%22Raymundus+Gaufredus%22&source=bl&ots=6R8-_u5gmT&sig=QnBDT0FUSW7YTFTsW3J0pWw2Q0Y&hl=en&ei=Uar6TY_QMpGz8QO184y0CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Raymundus%20Gaufredus%22&f=false

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 Posted: Mon Jun 20th, 2011 07:58 pm
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Thanks Paul and Carl!
So it would seem that the Latin work "De leone viridi" may have been paraphrased in verse by the author of the poem from Ashmole? But is the language Late Middle English i.e. from the time of Henry V (pre-1422)? Or is it Early Modern (post 1500) which would make its author an impostor?

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Rafal T. Prinke wrote:
Thanks Paul and Carl!
So it would seem that the Latin work "De leone viridi" may have been paraphrased in verse by the author of the poem from Ashmole? But is the language Late Middle English i.e. from the time of Henry V (pre-1422)? Or is it Early Modern (post 1500) which would make its author an impostor?


Well here it is:

http://paganpoet.com/reading-room/alchemical-verse-elias-ashmoles-theatrum-chemicum-britannicum/the-hunting-of-the-greene-lyon/

I would say an Early Modern writer fooling around and trying to write like a writer from an earlier period.

Chapter 19 of the 'Cipher of Roger Bacon' by William Romaine Newbold and Roland Grubb Kent contains a discussion of the text by Raymundus/Reymundus. Part of that chapter, including the Latin text or an abbreviated version thereof[?], is reproduced here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8o-OjAEChXEC&pg=PA186&lpg=PA186&dq=%22the+abbreviated+word+about+the+green%22&source=bl&ots=qCiqZPJ48N&sig=xDg9-G0oP0rVG6SzKqiJ1KLrL5E&hl=en&ei=e5oATv3zDsKw8gOjrMCgDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20abbreviated%20word%20about%20the%20green%22&f=false



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